Heroes - any difference between same prof. heroes? - Guild Wars Forums

JanS · Feb 13, 2008, 08:29 AM // 08:29

Is there any difference apart from looks between heroes of the same profession?

That is - if I give two heroes of the same profession the exact same build will they play identically or not?

bilateralrope · Feb 13, 2008, 09:21 AM // 09:21

Yes they will. The only difference between heroes is their species when you have the non-human heroes. And that only matters for disease since it only spreads between creatures of the same species.

Killed u man · Feb 13, 2008, 10:03 AM // 10:03

I know this is probably just "random" bad luck, but for some reason, when I make Olias MM he ALWAYS hides in the back spamming Death Nova, whilst with Master of Whispers, well he usually keeps up all the time.

However, when I put Olias on hexes, he NEVER spams hexes like he should untill I actually pinged/attacked a few times (5 seconds delay). However, with Master of Whispers, he ALWAYS has perfect hex placement etc...

IT'S A CONSPIRACY, A CONSPIRACY I TELLS YA!

FXCW · Feb 13, 2008, 10:57 AM // 10:57

My Livia is always miles behind the rest of us when she is MM, using death nova etc. I have Olias on hexes and he is always charging in like a maniac when I attack, he goes right up to the foes!

I also have a problem with Sousuke who is very aggro happy, always running into mobs.

Killed u man · Feb 13, 2008, 11:11 AM // 11:11

^ I had that problem with Livia o.0

I had to stop bringing her after the Friday update, because for some unknown reason, she would run off to ANY enemy I had target, even if he was on edge of radar...

I checked she was on Defensive stand (Middle one), She DIDN'T have any skills qeued... Quest she was having a bad week? :s

Now it's miracly fixed tough, but ye, sometimes my heroes just go completely Leeroy on me... (Not just once, no matter how many times I rezone etc, the same hero just keeps Leeroying in there...)

Demandred · Feb 13, 2008, 11:20 AM // 11:20

its very wierd but iv found that some heros seem to be ment to be given the type of skills that they came with, dunkoro for example i have personally found (it might be different for others) sucks with prot spells, i find he just has general casting problems, whereas talkora on the other hand, when given the same build is wonderful. i find that souske is best with fire, and zhed stops becoming a deathbag with water/earth. this may all be coincidence, but it seems that it may be plausable...

quickmonty · Feb 13, 2008, 11:48 AM // 11:48

It seems to me that Livia is a better MM than Olias. Might just be my imagination, but it seems that way.

baz777 · Feb 13, 2008, 01:28 PM // 13:28

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Originally Posted by FXCW

I also have a problem with Sousuke who is very aggro happy, always running into mobs.

QFT, always having to flag that bugger back!

Crom The Pale · Feb 13, 2008, 01:56 PM // 13:56

I suddenly had a flash back to when I first aquired Master of Whispers and exited out of Kodash Bazar. He went straight off on his own towards a distant group of Kornan soldiers that were barely even on my radar.

Biggest problem I've had of late is heros refusing to obey their flags. They come to a certain point then won't come closer even when flag is reset. Sometimes when I remove/cancel a flag my heros run away from me instead of towards me, never a good sight to see when your a war low on health....

mastermind73 · Feb 13, 2008, 03:19 PM // 15:19

I've learned that I have to flag Livia (my MM) next to me or she does stay way behind and cast death nova/jagged bones/aegis/whatever other possible enchant she can cast without actually doing anything.

Ah well, heroes are not human, just machines. We learn and adapt. The only real problems I ever run into is when they actually change the hero AI. Then it's like learning to use them all over again.

thelessa · Feb 13, 2008, 03:30 PM // 15:30

Olias and Livia would not make as many minions as they should, all they would do is cast Death Nova.

As soon as I took Death Nova away from Olias and Livia, they started playing right. Keeping up and making minions as they should.

Fried Tech · Feb 13, 2008, 03:37 PM // 15:37

My Master of Whispers is agro happy.
My Livia stays miles back when MM.
And my Olias is an excellent healer
....... but that donkey (zhed). i just dont know what to do with him

JanS · Feb 13, 2008, 03:48 PM // 15:48

Thank you for the replies.

Even though they contradict each other somewhat and some are slightly off topic they certainly provided some insight.

Quaker · Feb 14, 2008, 07:06 PM // 19:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by FXCW

I also have a problem with Sousuke who is very aggro happy, always running into mobs.

Funny thing is, people say the same thing about Zed.

Fried Tech · Feb 14, 2008, 07:09 PM // 19:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quaker

Funny thing is, people say the same thing about Zed.

Couldn't the same be said for most eles?

ps. im an ele. and yes i do get warrior vision. gotta keep those monks on their toes.

Macks Mistress · Feb 14, 2008, 07:23 PM // 19:23

I don't know how many times I've seen Zhed charge right up into the face of a mob to cast something like SF. He's also set to guard and doesn't have any "adjacent too" type of spells on his bar either.

Leaves me dumbfounded it does.

HawkofStorms · Feb 14, 2008, 08:33 PM // 20:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by JanS

Thank you for the replies.

Even though they contradict each other somewhat and some are slightly off topic they certainly provided some insight.

Nah, the only thing this proves is that people are superstitious and look for patterns in randomness, a commonly known sociological behavior.

Xylia · Feb 14, 2008, 08:43 PM // 20:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by mastermind73

I've learned that I have to flag Livia (my MM) next to me or she does stay way behind and cast death nova/jagged bones/aegis/whatever other possible enchant she can cast without actually doing anything.

Ah well, heroes are not human, just machines. We learn and adapt. The only real problems I ever run into is when they actually change the hero AI. Then it's like learning to use them all over again.

All the necro heroes will do this, it really doesn't matter which one you are using.

In general, I don't believe there is a difference in the AI between heroes of the same type. Any problem I have with a build continues to exist regardless of which hero I use with it.

strcpy · Feb 14, 2008, 08:45 PM // 20:45

As you can see, some say they have different, some say they don't. I've never been able to tell a difference in them myself - if they do then it isn't something major.

Like others I have problems with them sometimes deciding to ignore flags, calls, and other things. I find ignoring calls to be *highly* frustrating and they all seem to do it at the same time. Several times I've tried to get them to kill a monk boss in factions or nightfall only to have the spread out their damage on multiple warriors - lot of good that does anyone given how Factions and Nightfall bosses work and how little they can damage those warriors by themselves.

They also sometimes all group up in a bunch and stand there watching me go in to aggro everything on my Dervish. I know that with spells like Jagged Bones and Death nova they tend to do that - almost any non-combat related upkeep spell they will do it also (Mantra of Recall, Aura of Restoration, etc) but they have such a long recharge that they can't be standing around casting it instead of doing what you want. However, from time to time *everyone* stands back there to just watch even with none of those spells on anyone.

While AI is a hard thing to write, I've sometimes wondered if stuff like that is on purpose to try and "encourage" grouping.

Rothaga · Feb 14, 2008, 08:49 PM // 20:49

I find that Vekk for me is very aggro-happy, he just charges at the next group, and for some reason, he's always right beside me when fighting. He also seems to ALWAYS reach 60 dp the fastest.

Feb 13, 2008, 08:29 AM // 08:29	#1
JanS Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Feb 2008	Heroes - any difference between same prof. heroes? Is there any difference apart from looks between heroes of the same profession? That is - if I give two heroes of the same profession the exact same build will they play identically or not?

Feb 13, 2008, 09:21 AM // 09:21	#2
bilateralrope Desert Nomad Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: New Zealand Guild: Xen Of Onslaught (Xen of the Pacific division)	Yes they will. The only difference between heroes is their species when you have the non-human heroes. And that only matters for disease since it only spreads between creatures of the same species.

Feb 13, 2008, 10:03 AM // 10:03	#3
Killed u man Forge Runner Join Date: Feb 2006	I know this is probably just "random" bad luck, but for some reason, when I make Olias MM he ALWAYS hides in the back spamming Death Nova, whilst with Master of Whispers, well he usually keeps up all the time. However, when I put Olias on hexes, he NEVER spams hexes like he should untill I actually pinged/attacked a few times (5 seconds delay). However, with Master of Whispers, he ALWAYS has perfect hex placement etc... IT'S A CONSPIRACY, A CONSPIRACY I TELLS YA!

Feb 13, 2008, 10:57 AM // 10:57	#4
FXCW Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: London,UK Guild: Passionate Kiss of Nosferatu Profession: R/	My Livia is always miles behind the rest of us when she is MM, using death nova etc. I have Olias on hexes and he is always charging in like a maniac when I attack, he goes right up to the foes! I also have a problem with Sousuke who is very aggro happy, always running into mobs.

Feb 13, 2008, 11:11 AM // 11:11	#5
Killed u man Forge Runner Join Date: Feb 2006	^ I had that problem with Livia o.0 I had to stop bringing her after the Friday update, because for some unknown reason, she would run off to ANY enemy I had target, even if he was on edge of radar... I checked she was on Defensive stand (Middle one), She DIDN'T have any skills qeued... Quest she was having a bad week? :s Now it's miracly fixed tough, but ye, sometimes my heroes just go completely Leeroy on me... (Not just once, no matter how many times I rezone etc, the same hero just keeps Leeroying in there...)

Feb 13, 2008, 11:20 AM // 11:20	#6
Demandred Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Tokyo 3 Guild: Instrumentality Committee [NERV]	its very wierd but iv found that some heros seem to be ment to be given the type of skills that they came with, dunkoro for example i have personally found (it might be different for others) sucks with prot spells, i find he just has general casting problems, whereas talkora on the other hand, when given the same build is wonderful. i find that souske is best with fire, and zhed stops becoming a deathbag with water/earth. this may all be coincidence, but it seems that it may be plausable...

Feb 13, 2008, 11:48 AM // 11:48	#7
quickmonty Ancient Windbreaker Join Date: May 2005	It seems to me that Livia is a better MM than Olias. Might just be my imagination, but it seems that way.

Feb 13, 2008, 01:56 PM // 13:56	#9
Crom The Pale Furnace Stoker Join Date: Nov 2006 Guild: Ageis Ascending Profession: W/	I suddenly had a flash back to when I first aquired Master of Whispers and exited out of Kodash Bazar. He went straight off on his own towards a distant group of Kornan soldiers that were barely even on my radar. Biggest problem I've had of late is heros refusing to obey their flags. They come to a certain point then won't come closer even when flag is reset. Sometimes when I remove/cancel a flag my heros run away from me instead of towards me, never a good sight to see when your a war low on health....

Feb 13, 2008, 03:19 PM // 15:19	#10
mastermind73 Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Nov 2007 Guild: XTH Profession: E/Mo	I've learned that I have to flag Livia (my MM) next to me or she does stay way behind and cast death nova/jagged bones/aegis/whatever other possible enchant she can cast without actually doing anything. Ah well, heroes are not human, just machines. We learn and adapt. The only real problems I ever run into is when they actually change the hero AI. Then it's like learning to use them all over again.

Feb 13, 2008, 03:30 PM // 15:30	#11
thelessa Jungle Guide Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Texas Guild: Purple Puzycats Profession: R/Mo	Olias and Livia would not make as many minions as they should, all they would do is cast Death Nova. As soon as I took Death Nova away from Olias and Livia, they started playing right. Keeping up and making minions as they should.

Feb 13, 2008, 03:37 PM // 15:37	#12
Fried Tech Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2007 Guild: [Yeti] Profession: E/	My Master of Whispers is agro happy. My Livia stays miles back when MM. And my Olias is an excellent healer ....... but that donkey (zhed). i just dont know what to do with him

Feb 13, 2008, 03:48 PM // 15:48	#13
JanS Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Feb 2008	Thank you for the replies. Even though they contradict each other somewhat and some are slightly off topic they certainly provided some insight.

Feb 14, 2008, 07:23 PM // 19:23	#16
Macks Mistress Academy Page Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: UK Guild: Avatar Of Heroes [Hero]	I don't know how many times I've seen Zhed charge right up into the face of a mob to cast something like SF. He's also set to guard and doesn't have any "adjacent too" type of spells on his bar either. Leaves me dumbfounded it does.

Feb 14, 2008, 08:45 PM // 20:45	#19
strcpy Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: One of Many [ONE]	As you can see, some say they have different, some say they don't. I've never been able to tell a difference in them myself - if they do then it isn't something major. Like others I have problems with them sometimes deciding to ignore flags, calls, and other things. I find ignoring calls to be highly frustrating and they all seem to do it at the same time. Several times I've tried to get them to kill a monk boss in factions or nightfall only to have the spread out their damage on multiple warriors - lot of good that does anyone given how Factions and Nightfall bosses work and how little they can damage those warriors by themselves. They also sometimes all group up in a bunch and stand there watching me go in to aggro everything on my Dervish. I know that with spells like Jagged Bones and Death nova they tend to do that - almost any non-combat related upkeep spell they will do it also (Mantra of Recall, Aura of Restoration, etc) but they have such a long recharge that they can't be standing around casting it instead of doing what you want. However, from time to time everyone stands back there to just watch even with none of those spells on anyone. While AI is a hard thing to write, I've sometimes wondered if stuff like that is on purpose to try and "encourage" grouping.

Feb 14, 2008, 08:49 PM // 20:49	#20
Rothaga Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Mar 2007 Profession: D/W	I find that Vekk for me is very aggro-happy, he just charges at the next group, and for some reason, he's always right beside me when fighting. He also seems to ALWAYS reach 60 dp the fastest.